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JNT Dialogue: Resonance and Ruins - Shared screen with speaker view
Stacey Thompson
23:51
Dr. Kiiiiiim
Dyann Logwood
24:09
Good evening!
Petra Kuppers
24:16
Hello, and warm wishes from Eureka Springs, Arkansas, Osage Territory (tomorrow back in Ypsi) :-)
Joanne Freed
24:39
Hi from Oakland University's Critical Theory and Practice course!
Stacey Thompson
28:26
Stacey Thompson, School Committee Member...hello from Lowell, MA
Adam Mitchell
35:25
Personally, I prefer the non-clinical definition. Love this argument.
Rita Shah
37:27
Or whiteness…
Shontae Praileau
39:40
Preach Sue!
Sadaf Ali
40:33
Yes!
Rita Shah
41:02
Yeessss!!
Stacey Thompson
41:06
Yessss @ Sue
stacy szczesiul
41:55
Yes we’re commodifying DEI
Adam Mitchell
42:43
yup.. there was this glimmer of "put the most vulnerable first"
Stacey Thompson
48:26
Yes!! blessed to have Sue as MY people
stacy szczesiul
49:54
You are a powerful force for good, Sue Kim. So glad you are my friend and colleague.
Margaret Dobbins
50:02
Just a reminder that you can post your questions—or comments—in the Q&A box at the bottom of your screen. We’d love to hear your questions for Dr. Kim and Dr. abdur-rahman!
Amanda Allen
50:05
Trevor Noah’s TikTok, for anyone interested: https://bit.ly/34y7O7z
Sarah Copland
50:31
Such an important and rich talk, Sue! Thank you 🙂
Shontae Praileau
50:36
Once they came for Black Panther director, I said to myself...I gotta tap out, Sue.
Carl Howell
50:57
Thank you Sue for speaking those truths and framing those issues/ challenges
Rita Shah
01:01:31
So so so powerful. Thank you aliyyah!
Cassie Robbins
01:07:50
"how do you move? how do you express?" are such important questions to ask here, wow
Adam Mitchell
01:08:03
*clapping*
Sarah Copland
01:08:12
I can’t wait to read this book!
Amanda Allen
01:08:17
Thank you so much, to both of you! *much clapping*
Jessica Van Gilder
01:08:23
thank you so much for this talk!
Helen Davis
01:08:25
Thank you both!
Beth Currans
01:08:26
Thank you so much. Two wonderful talks.
Stacey Thompson
01:08:50
so beautifully stated
Petra Kuppers
01:08:59
Thank you!
Adam Mitchell
01:09:45
Whew... "the ruin of our time" is powerful and beautiful... and it illustrates everything succinctly and with a just visceral poetry. Awesome. Like, it alludes to the whole capital-R-romantic impulse to romanticize the ****-show.
Stacey Thompson
01:14:48
I think the relief was not having to hear the crazed, nonsensical Trump rants...
Christine Neufeld
01:18:51
The opioid crisis is another example.
Khadra Saed
01:21:26
Something I think about often is how narrative of ableism began to show as anti-maskers/vacciners ramp up. This idea of "going back to usual" and "end of pandemic" still feel very privileged attitudes, because it shows me how empathy can be dropped when inconveniences and how we something "allow" people to have degrees of callousness, which slowly develops in other places
Adam Mitchell
01:21:28
whew... and its creepy similarities to the guilded age opiate crisis
Adam Mitchell
01:22:27
absolutely, K: I'm profoundly heartbroken at how often "normal" means going back to the normalization of "everyday sadism"
Margaret Dobbins
01:22:28
So interesting, Khadra—do you mind putting that in the Q/A box as a comment/question?
Rita Shah
01:24:06
@Khadra: Spot on! The same empathy was lost for hospital workers and health care providers. And we all seem to have forgotten that not everyone has been staying home. There is a cadre of people who have continued working in unsafe conditions so that those of us with the privilege of “office jobs” could stay home and eat, be healthy, etc.
Helen Davis
01:24:34
yes
Khadra Saed
01:24:38
Sure!
Adam Mitchell
01:26:12
@Rita: I had the privilege of both teaching and working in a factory during the pandemic. Heck of a difference, to be sure. There's a certain kind of fatalism some people really internalized :/
Rita Shah
01:32:22
@Adam 🙁
Helen Davis
01:32:30
One of the most frustrating aspects of the gaslighting Sue captures is how effective it is at appropriating moments of power and undermining it. It really is an ultimate demonstration of power to be able to appropriate narratives and recenter hegemony. It really is difficult to keep any kind of hope
Rita Shah
01:34:04
I hold on to Mariam Kaba’s statement that “hope is a discipline.” We can only hold on to it if we keep working at it, but to Sue’s point, boy is it hard to keep working at it!
Helen Davis
01:34:18
yes
Carl Howell
01:41:16
I appreciate the context of how things “get better” and are so closely followed by devastating challenges. The example of the reconstruction is powerful. The frustration that comes with the hope to create change can be as traumatizing.
Christian Jones
01:43:22
For students to receive LBC Credit:Please Email jnt@emich.edu with the following information: Your name, your EID#, and your class
Adam Mitchell
01:45:08
Heck yeah, union talk warms my soul.
Stacey Thompson
01:45:31
Ohhhhhhh unions :)
Adam Mitchell
01:48:21
That's a good answer. Every relationship/friendship across a boundary (class/culture/institutional) is the seed of possibility. Especially when we seem to have lost our zones of "cross class contact" (I'm thinking of Times Square Red/Times Square Blue but like not necessarily just uhh.. vice spaces).
Margaret Dobbins
01:50:08
And its potential beauty—ruin as aesthetic object?
Christine Neufeld
01:53:53
I love: What can you make live again differently?
Helen Davis
01:54:14
"For, while the tale of how we suffer, and how we are delighted, and how we may triumph is never new, it always must be heard. There isn't any other tale to tell, it's the only light we've got in all this darkness." James Baldwin, “Sonny’s Blues
Adam Mitchell
02:00:14
Shock in every sense of the word. Loss. The old first-Cold-War "shock worker"/essential worker. What's the cost, individually and socially of "stiff upper lipping it" for years (when things were already pretty hellish for some)?
Joanne Freed
02:12:02
yes--that's what I was thinking
Joanne Freed
02:15:36
yes, and perhaps there's something similar in your idea of the before and the after, aliyyah
Christine Neufeld
02:17:18
What a great question, Cassie!
Helen Davis
02:22:30
Yes! I often feel that is my role on campus
Lori Burlingame
02:23:02
Thank you, Sue and Aliyyah, for these powerful and eloquent talks and insights!
Carl Howell
02:23:04
Love that-
Rita Shah
02:23:16
Thank you both! This was amazing!! ❤️
Adam Mitchell
02:23:17
Whew... that was awesome. Thank you all sooooo much.
Sue J. Kim
02:23:17
Thank you all so much!!!
Amanda Allen
02:23:27
Thank you so much!
Sadaf Ali
02:23:28
Thank you! This was amazing
Beth Currans
02:23:31
Thank you so much.
Joanne Freed
02:23:36
thank you!!
Marketta Allison
02:23:43
Thank you!
Khadra Saed
02:23:43
Thank you so much for speaking! :D
Sarah Copland
02:23:44
Absolutely! Thanks very much, Sue and aliyyah.
Helen Davis
02:23:55
Thank you both your work and for this wonderful conversation
Elise Nanos
02:23:55
Amazing. Thank you!
Dyann Logwood
02:23:57
Thank you!
Stacey Thompson
02:24:08
What a great talk!!! Thank you Aliyyah and my friend Sue!
Mary Ramsey
02:24:08
Thank you so much!
stacy szczesiul
02:24:11
Thank you both
Marah Heikkila
02:24:13
Thank you so much! It was great!
Sarah Copland
02:24:20
Definitely! Thanks, Christine and fellow organizers. 🙂
Kaitlin Browne
02:24:57
Thank you for the wonderful talk!
Adam Mitchell
02:24:58
Fly young Emu's fly. Get your credit!
Adam Mitchell
02:25:10
oh damn... that apostrophe is embarassing