JNT Dialogue: Resonance and Ruins - Shared screen with speaker view
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Hello, and warm wishes from Eureka Springs, Arkansas, Osage Territory (tomorrow back in Ypsi) :-)
Hi from Oakland University's Critical Theory and Practice course!
Stacey Thompson, School Committee Member...hello from Lowell, MA
Personally, I prefer the non-clinical definition. Love this argument.
Yessss @ Sue
Yes we’re commodifying DEI
yup.. there was this glimmer of "put the most vulnerable first"
Yes!! blessed to have Sue as MY people
You are a powerful force for good, Sue Kim. So glad you are my friend and colleague.
Just a reminder that you can post your questions—or comments—in the Q&A box at the bottom of your screen. We’d love to hear your questions for Dr. Kim and Dr. abdur-rahman!
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Such an important and rich talk, Sue! Thank you 🙂
Once they came for Black Panther director, I said to myself...I gotta tap out, Sue.
Thank you Sue for speaking those truths and framing those issues/ challenges
So so so powerful. Thank you aliyyah!
"how do you move? how do you express?" are such important questions to ask here, wow
I can’t wait to read this book!
Thank you so much, to both of you! *much clapping*
Jessica Van Gilder
thank you so much for this talk!
Thank you both!
Thank you so much. Two wonderful talks.
so beautifully stated
Whew... "the ruin of our time" is powerful and beautiful... and it illustrates everything succinctly and with a just visceral poetry. Awesome. Like, it alludes to the whole capital-R-romantic impulse to romanticize the ****-show.
I think the relief was not having to hear the crazed, nonsensical Trump rants...
The opioid crisis is another example.
Something I think about often is how narrative of ableism began to show as anti-maskers/vacciners ramp up. This idea of "going back to usual" and "end of pandemic" still feel very privileged attitudes, because it shows me how empathy can be dropped when inconveniences and how we something "allow" people to have degrees of callousness, which slowly develops in other places
whew... and its creepy similarities to the guilded age opiate crisis
absolutely, K: I'm profoundly heartbroken at how often "normal" means going back to the normalization of "everyday sadism"
So interesting, Khadra—do you mind putting that in the Q/A box as a comment/question?
@Khadra: Spot on! The same empathy was lost for hospital workers and health care providers. And we all seem to have forgotten that not everyone has been staying home. There is a cadre of people who have continued working in unsafe conditions so that those of us with the privilege of “office jobs” could stay home and eat, be healthy, etc.
@Rita: I had the privilege of both teaching and working in a factory during the pandemic. Heck of a difference, to be sure. There's a certain kind of fatalism some people really internalized :/
One of the most frustrating aspects of the gaslighting Sue captures is how effective it is at appropriating moments of power and undermining it. It really is an ultimate demonstration of power to be able to appropriate narratives and recenter hegemony. It really is difficult to keep any kind of hope
I hold on to Mariam Kaba’s statement that “hope is a discipline.” We can only hold on to it if we keep working at it, but to Sue’s point, boy is it hard to keep working at it!
I appreciate the context of how things “get better” and are so closely followed by devastating challenges. The example of the reconstruction is powerful. The frustration that comes with the hope to create change can be as traumatizing.
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Heck yeah, union talk warms my soul.
Ohhhhhhh unions :)
That's a good answer. Every relationship/friendship across a boundary (class/culture/institutional) is the seed of possibility. Especially when we seem to have lost our zones of "cross class contact" (I'm thinking of Times Square Red/Times Square Blue but like not necessarily just uhh.. vice spaces).
And its potential beauty—ruin as aesthetic object?
I love: What can you make live again differently?
"For, while the tale of how we suffer, and how we are delighted, and how we may triumph is never new, it always must be heard. There isn't any other tale to tell, it's the only light we've got in all this darkness." James Baldwin, “Sonny’s Blues
Shock in every sense of the word. Loss. The old first-Cold-War "shock worker"/essential worker. What's the cost, individually and socially of "stiff upper lipping it" for years (when things were already pretty hellish for some)?
yes--that's what I was thinking
yes, and perhaps there's something similar in your idea of the before and the after, aliyyah
What a great question, Cassie!
Yes! I often feel that is my role on campus
Thank you, Sue and Aliyyah, for these powerful and eloquent talks and insights!
Thank you both! This was amazing!! ❤️
Whew... that was awesome. Thank you all sooooo much.
Sue J. Kim
Thank you all so much!!!
Thank you so much!
Thank you! This was amazing
Thank you so much.
Thank you so much for speaking! :D
Absolutely! Thanks very much, Sue and aliyyah.
Thank you both your work and for this wonderful conversation
Amazing. Thank you!
What a great talk!!! Thank you Aliyyah and my friend Sue!
Thank you so much!
Thank you both
Thank you so much! It was great!
Definitely! Thanks, Christine and fellow organizers. 🙂
Thank you for the wonderful talk!
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oh damn... that apostrophe is embarassing